Direct examination by Mr. Foster. Cross-examination by Mr. Grinnell. Testified through an interpreter. Testified on behalf of the Defense, Spies, August et al.

Attended a Carpenters' Union meeting at Timmerhoff's Hall where George Engel gave a speech. Testified on various topics (page numbers provide a partial guide): Carpenters' Union (vol.L 539), Engel, George (vol.L 540), weapons and explosives (vol.L 541), plans for warfare against the police and/or capitalists (vol.L 541), eight-hour movement (vol.L 541).

A WITNESS CALLED AND SWORN ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANTS, WAS EXAMINED IN CHIEF BY MR. FOSTER, AND TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:

|THE WITNESS TESTIFIED THROUGH INTERPRETER GAUSS.|

Q WHAT IS YOUR NAME?

A AUGUST KRAUSE.

Q WHERE DO YOU RESIDE?

A IN JEFFERSON, HUMBOLDT.

Q WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS?

A CARPENTER.

Q IN APRIL LAST WERE YOU A MEMBER OF THE CARPENTERS' UNION, THE INDEPENDENT CARPENTERS UNION?

A YES.

Q DID YOU OCCUPY ANY OFFICIAL POSITION IN THAT AT THAT TIME?

A NO.

Q HAVE YOU EVER OCCUPIED ANY OFFICIAL POSITION IN THAT ORGANIZATION?

A YES, I WAS PRESIDENT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.

Q WHEN DID YOU CEASE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THAT ORGANIZATION?

A IT WAS A YEAR LAST CHRISTMAS.

Q DO YOU KNOW THE DEFENDANT, MR. ENGEL?

A YES SIR, I KNOW HOW SO FAR AS I HAVE TALKED AND SPOKEN WITH HIM, ONCE.

Q DID YOU ATTEND THE MASS MEETING OF SUNDAY AFTERNOONS LAST WINTER?

A SOME OF THEM.

Q WHERE WERE THEY HELD?

A IN TAHLIA HALL. THERE WERE TWO IN TAHLIA HALL, AND THE REST IN TIMOROTH'S HALL.

Q WHAT IS THE NUMBER ON MILWAUKEE AVENUE?

A TIMOROTH'S HALL IS 701,. TAHLIA HALL IS 676 AND TIMOROTH'S HALL IS FURTHER UP CORNER OF NOBLE ST.

Q DID YOU ATTEND SOME SUNDAY AFTERNOON MEETING AT TIMOROTH'S HALL?

A YES.

Q DID YOU ATTEND THE MEETING LAST SPRING AT WHICH MR. ENGEL SPOKE?

A YES SIR, I VISITED IT; I HAD INVITED MR. ENGEL MYSELF.

Q DID MR. ENGEL EVER SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE AT THAT HALL LAST SUNDAY TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?

A NOT THAT I KNOW EXACTLY. IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW PRECISELY.

Q DID YOU HEAR MR. ENGEL'S SPEECH ON THE OCCASION OF YOUR INVITING HIM TO SPEAK?

A YES.

Q DID HE SPEAK IN GERMAN?

A YES.

Q DID YOU HEAR AND UNDERSTAND OF WHAT HE SAID?

A YES SIR, I DID UNDERSTAND IT.

Q NOW, IN THAT SPEECH DID MR. ENGEL SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SAVING MONEY TO BUY REVOLVERS TO SHOOT POLICEMEN WITH?

A NO, NOT A WORD.

Q DID YOU HEAR HIM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ADVISING WORKINGMEN TO JOIN THE ORDER?

A YES, THAT I HEARD. I HAD GIVEN THE INSTRUCTIONS MYSELF TO MR. ENGEL, AND INVITED THE PEOPLE TO ATTEND, TO DISCUSS THAT WE WOULD NOT WORK ANY LONGER THAN EIGHT HOURS.

Q WERE THOSE EIGHT HOURS MEETINGS, OR MEETINGS TO AGITATE THE EIGHT HOUR MOVEMENT.

A THEY WERE MOSTLY AGITATION COMMITTEES TO GET PERSONS TO JOIN THE UNION, SO THAT WHEN SPRING COMMENCED WE WOULD BE TOGETHER, AND TO ADVOCATE AND WORK ONLY EIGHT HOURS.

Q AT THIS MEETING AT WHICH MR. ENGEL SPOKE DID HE USE THESE WORDS, OR THESE WORDS IN SUBSTANCE: "I ADVISE EVERY MAN TO JOIN THE UNION TO SAVE UP $3 OR $4 TO BUY A REVOLVER, AND SHOOT EVERY POLICEMAN DOWN?

A NO.

Q DID HE SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

A NO, HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ARMIES AT ALL.

Q DID HE USE THIS LANGUAGE, OR THIS IN SUBSTANCE, THAT EVERY BODY SHOULD SAVE UP $3 OR $4 AND BUY A REVOLVER, THAT THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO SHOOT POLICMEN DOWN WITH.

A NO.

Q OR NOTHING OF THAT KIND?

A NO.

Q WHO WAS CHAIRMAN OF THAT PARTICULAR MEETING?

A I, MYSELF.

Q HOW NEAR WAS MR. ENGEL TO YOU WHEN HE SPOKE?

A HE STOOD AS NEAR TO ME AS THIS GENTLEMAN IS SITTING HERE |POINTING TO REPORTER.|

Q DO YOU KNOW MR. WEINECKE, THE POLICEMAN, THE MAN THAT IS A POLICEMAN NOW?

A I KNOW HIM ONLY FAR ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT HE IS THE OF MR. TAYLOR, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER TO HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO HIM.

Q DID YOU SEE HIM ABOUT THE OUTER EDGE OF THE MEETING, OR ABOUT THE DOOR WHEN MR. ENGEL WAS SPEAKING?

A NO, I DIDN'T SEE HIM AT THE MEETING; I SAW HIM AT THE SALOON BUT NOT AT THE MEETING.

Q WAS IT THE SAME DAY THAT YOU SAW HIM AT THE MEETING?

A YES, THE SAME DAY---I ALWAYS SAW HIM AT THE SALOON WHEN WE HAD A MEETING THERE.

Q THE SALOON WAS IN THE SAME BUILDING, AND IN FRONT OF THE HALL, WAS IT?

A YES SIR, ---IT FRONTED THE HALL.

Q WAS IT WHILE THE MEETING WAS BEING HELD THAT YOU SAW WEINECKE IN THE SALOON, OR AFTER OR BEFORE?

A I DID NOT LOOK FOR HIM WHILST THE MEETING WAS BEING HELD, BUT SAW HIM THERE BEFORE THE MEETING AND AFTER THE MEETING.

WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT MEETING YOU INVITED ENGEL TO SPEAK AT?

A ON SUNDAY--- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE,---IT WAS EITHER BEFORE THE LAST OF MARCH OR BEGINNING OF APRIL.