Direct examination by Mr. Grinnell. Testified on behalf of the Prosecution, People of the State of Illinois.

State attempted to ask whether or not he saw Albert Parsons and Adolph Fischer at Zepf's Hall on May 4, 1886. Testified on various topics (page numbers provide a partial guide): Zepf's Hall (vol.N 171), Parsons, Albert (vol.N 171).

re-called by the People, was examined in chief by Mr. Grinhell and testified as follows:

Q. You have been on the stand once before Mr. Allen?

A. Yes sir.

Q. How long have you known Parsons to know who he was?

MR. GRINNELL: I want to know whether he knows him -- that is preliminary to the question I am going to ask.

MR. BLACK: I don't think that is material.

THE COURT: That depends upon what is to follow.

MR. BLACK: We withdraw the objection.

THE WITNESS: I have known him positively since last fall. I knew him five years ago.

Q. Were you in Zeph's hall on the northeast corner of Lake and Desplaines Street on the night of May 4th, at or about the time of the explosion of the bomb?

MR. BLACK: That was gone over on direct examination.

MR. GRINNELL: He testified he was there, and testified he didn't see Parsons -- no matter whether or not he testifies to that, the question now is one of rebuttal. I want to ask this witness the question that I have a right to as to the whereabouts of Fischer and Parsons, and as to the location

of the different individuals in that saloon at that time. It was not material. It was not a part of the State's case to have made any proof in regard to who or who was not in that saloon.

MR. BLACK: What paper do you report for, the Times?

A. Yes sir.

THE COURT: You have this as emphatic as you can make it.

MR. GRINNELL: That is all.

MR. BLACK: That was gone into very thoroughly, as I remember it.